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	<title>Comments on: The Worst Performance by a Winning Pitcher</title>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line - the scorer scored it correctly according to the quoted rules.  

According to the rules, Cain was not eligible for the win, and neither was Walker. Since Cain only got a no decision, that isn&#039;t really a negative. A closer is never judged by wins, only saves/blown saves, so Wilson gets his penance.  Walker never deserved the win.  And because offense is out of the pitcher&#039;s hands, most agree that ERA is the only meaningful pitcher stat, and that is okay for Cain in this scenario. So I don&#039;t disagree with the scoring.

If judgment is introduced in these things, then I give you the following scenario which I think is even more lopsided:

Cain pitches 3 innings, gives up 1 run, leaves with the bases loaded, no outs in 4th, Walker gets 3 outs, no runs score. Cain is pitcher of record, gave up 1 run.  Giants haven&#039;t scored.

(Mets 1, Giants 0)

Walker finishes the rest of the game, and gives up 9 runs.  Meanwhile Giants also score 9 runs, but never tie or lead the game.

Final:  Mets 10, Giants 9.  
Losing pitcher Cain.  3 ERA.
Walker gets no decision with 13 ERA.

Give up 1 run in 3 innings, lose.
Give up 9 runs in 6 innings, nd.

The only reason this happens is the timing of the Giants scoring their runs, which is out of the pitchers&#039; control.  Either one concurs with &quot;pitcher of record&quot; mentality or not. 

Note that I’m not disagreeing with your frustration about the apparent injustice.  

Great 2-part column in today’s &lt;em&gt;Chronicle&lt;/em&gt; by Bruce Jenkins about the degeneration of pitching: 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/26/SPJV122RBS.DTL
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line &#8211; the scorer scored it correctly according to the quoted rules.  </p>
<p>According to the rules, Cain was not eligible for the win, and neither was Walker. Since Cain only got a no decision, that isn&#8217;t really a negative. A closer is never judged by wins, only saves/blown saves, so Wilson gets his penance.  Walker never deserved the win.  And because offense is out of the pitcher&#8217;s hands, most agree that ERA is the only meaningful pitcher stat, and that is okay for Cain in this scenario. So I don&#8217;t disagree with the scoring.</p>
<p>If judgment is introduced in these things, then I give you the following scenario which I think is even more lopsided:</p>
<p>Cain pitches 3 innings, gives up 1 run, leaves with the bases loaded, no outs in 4th, Walker gets 3 outs, no runs score. Cain is pitcher of record, gave up 1 run.  Giants haven&#8217;t scored.</p>
<p>(Mets 1, Giants 0)</p>
<p>Walker finishes the rest of the game, and gives up 9 runs.  Meanwhile Giants also score 9 runs, but never tie or lead the game.</p>
<p>Final:  Mets 10, Giants 9.<br />
Losing pitcher Cain.  3 ERA.<br />
Walker gets no decision with 13 ERA.</p>
<p>Give up 1 run in 3 innings, lose.<br />
Give up 9 runs in 6 innings, nd.</p>
<p>The only reason this happens is the timing of the Giants scoring their runs, which is out of the pitchers&#8217; control.  Either one concurs with &#8220;pitcher of record&#8221; mentality or not. </p>
<p>Note that I’m not disagreeing with your frustration about the apparent injustice.  </p>
<p>Great 2-part column in today’s <em>Chronicle</em> by Bruce Jenkins about the degeneration of pitching:<br />
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/26/SPJV122RBS.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/26/SPJV122RBS.DTL</a><br />
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