Comments on: Death Panel Frame-Up http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/ (with occasional liberties) Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:11:18 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Texas Death Panels are Real | Steve Cotler's Irrepressibly True Tales http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1244 Texas Death Panels are Real | Steve Cotler's Irrepressibly True Tales Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:24:11 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1244 [...] raised the spectre of  Health Plan Death Panels (even though they did not exist…see my previous post), actual Death Panels have lurked in the catacombs of the Texas Health and Safety Code (Section [...] [...] raised the spectre of  Health Plan Death Panels (even though they did not exist…see my previous post), actual Death Panels have lurked in the catacombs of the Texas Health and Safety Code (Section [...]

]]> By: Marko http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1094 Marko Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:26:58 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1094 I just FB'd yer article, but after reading several others, I admire your attempt to do what I spend a lot of time doing - getting people to actually *read* the information, and not just take opinion as fact. I am beyond sick to death of hearing people malign based on opinions offered as fact. Fear based reporting and worse - fear based "factual finding" is detrimental to all causes in the long run. The debates would be healthier and accomplish more if the the truth were spoken from word one. It's wrong to continue to treat the American public like stupid sheep, but it's worse that the American public continues to allow it! I just FB’d yer article, but after reading several others, I admire your attempt to do what I spend a lot of time doing – getting people to actually *read* the information, and not just take opinion as fact. I am beyond sick to death of hearing people malign based on opinions offered as fact. Fear based reporting and worse – fear based “factual finding” is detrimental to all causes in the long run. The debates would be healthier and accomplish more if the the truth were spoken from word one. It’s wrong to continue to treat the American public like stupid sheep, but it’s worse that the American public continues to allow it!

]]> By: Steve http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1066 Steve Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:48 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1066 Many laws remain in their original forms. Jim makes the assumption that Medicare, which under the bill as proposed will ONLY be empowered to approve or disapprove payment, will eventually acquire additional powers. As a current Medicare recipient, I have seen no evidence that Medicare has anything to do with either my choice of provider or my choice of treatment. Will my choices be restricted or influenced under the new system? Certainly not more than they were when I was privately insured (most of my life). Private insurance carriers can change premiums at will. And the horror stories of private insurers balking at paying for treatments are legion. For my take on why government needs to hold the "invisible hand" of free markets, see my post about the subprime mortgage crisis: http://stevecotler.com/tales/2008/03/24/subprime-thinking/ Many laws remain in their original forms. Jim makes the assumption that Medicare, which under the bill as proposed will ONLY be empowered to approve or disapprove payment, will eventually acquire additional powers. As a current Medicare recipient, I have seen no evidence that Medicare has anything to do with either my choice of provider or my choice of treatment. Will my choices be restricted or influenced under the new system? Certainly not more than they were when I was privately insured (most of my life). Private insurance carriers can change premiums at will. And the horror stories of private insurers balking at paying for treatments are legion.

For my take on why government needs to hold the “invisible hand” of free markets, see my post about the subprime mortgage crisis:

http://stevecotler.com/tales/2008/03/24/subprime-thinking/

]]> By: Abi http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1064 Abi Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:31:25 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1064 Here is Keith Olbermann's response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HgfwPtxLw Here is Keith Olbermann’s response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HgfwPtxLw

]]> By: jim http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1061 jim Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:53:12 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1061 And how many laws remain in their original form? If Medicare pays for the consultation, Medicare will have the power to determine who is consulted and what is said. Having a will is a good idea. Having one's beneficiaries write the will is not so good. End of life counseling may be another good idea, but not if the government is in any way involved in the outcome. And how many laws remain in their original form? If Medicare pays for the consultation, Medicare will have the power to determine who is consulted and what is said. Having a will is a good idea. Having one’s beneficiaries write the will is not so good. End of life counseling may be another good idea, but not if the government is in any way involved in the outcome.

]]> By: Emily http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1060 Emily Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:01:19 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1060 Alas, the art of reading is lost. We are a poorer culture for having so blithely relinquished the opportunity to scrutinize on our own -- an opportunity unique to culture with freedom of speech. We have succumbed to the folly of being shocked. Instead of being a society that embraces the right to read actual facts, we embrace the circus megaphone that broadcasts the train wreck. Like brainless twits, we simply want to be shocked. Reality tv is apparently so much more exciting than reality and the rights for which our forefathers shed blood. Folly, to paraphrase Barbara Tuchman (The March of Folly, brilliant in 1985, resonating still today) is the practice of acting against one's own best interests despite the clear evidence to support opposite actions. To believe what he said/ she said because it is sensational is unadulterated shortsighted folly. Thank you for pointing out the regular (not even fine) print. I, for one, will start paying better attention. Alas, the art of reading is lost. We are a poorer culture for having so blithely relinquished the opportunity to scrutinize on our own — an opportunity unique to culture with freedom of speech.

We have succumbed to the folly of being shocked. Instead of being a society that embraces the right to read actual facts, we embrace the circus megaphone that broadcasts the train wreck. Like brainless twits, we simply want to be shocked. Reality tv is apparently so much more exciting than reality and the rights for which our forefathers shed blood.

Folly, to paraphrase Barbara Tuchman (The March of Folly, brilliant in 1985, resonating still today) is the practice of acting against one’s own best interests despite the clear evidence to support opposite actions. To believe what he said/ she said because it is sensational is unadulterated shortsighted folly.

Thank you for pointing out the regular (not even fine) print. I, for one, will start paying better attention.

]]> By: Helsinki http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1057 Helsinki Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:01:06 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1057 interesting blog, it's good to know that there's something going on in the usa that isn't just "how to peel a banana like a monkey" and whether a "pot belly on a guy is a fashion statement"  these "news" stories courtesy of yahoo news interesting blog, it’s good to know that there’s something going on in the usa that isn’t just “how to peel a banana like a monkey” and whether a “pot belly on a guy is a fashion statement”  these “news” stories courtesy of yahoo news

]]> By: Death Panel Frame-Up - Health Articles A to Z http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1055 Death Panel Frame-Up - Health Articles A to Z Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:40:27 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1055 [...] See strange here:  Death Panel Frame-Up [...] [...] See strange here:  Death Panel Frame-Up [...]

]]> By: Chuck Walala http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1054 Chuck Walala Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:05:15 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1054 Socialism, pure and simpleminded. Socialism, pure and simpleminded.

]]> By: Ballauf http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/08/14/death-panel-frame-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1053 Ballauf Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:03:40 +0000 http://stevecotler.com/tales/?p=2439#comment-1053 Many seniors have no end of life planning documents. Doctors presenting info about health care decisions reduces medical costs for those who don’t want extraordinary measures taken. It also empowers seniors by putting them in charge, rather than letting other people determine what is best. Many seniors have no end of life planning documents. Doctors presenting info about health care decisions reduces medical costs for those who don’t want extraordinary measures taken. It also empowers seniors by putting them in charge, rather than letting other people determine what is best.

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