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	<title>Comments on: Avatar: Beautiful and Insidious</title>
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		<title>By: Jason B</title>
		<link>http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/12/22/avatar-beautiful-and-insidious/comment-page-1/#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with Steve&#039;s premise, because that was obviously his take home message.  Here are my thoughts on the movie in the context of his notes.

My first take home message from the movie was that the natives could not be victorious over the oppressors without the assistance of rebels and outsiders who learned about, and then cared about native resources and way of life.  Please note that I think like a 14-year old.

It was clear that the Navi would be destroyed, and that only a defiance and small rebellion within the technological side gave them any chance of hope. It wasn&#039;t bows and arrows that won, it was rebellion and supernatural magic. 

I didn&#039;t walk away with a feel good &quot;don&#039;t worry, it all works out.&quot;  If anything, it was made clear that the Navi were going to get wiped out, period. That was clear in the first tree scene.  Instead, I left feeling like, &quot;dang, if something isn&#039;t right, don&#039;t just go along, make a difference&quot;.  I must admit I developed a little man crush on the lead role, so that maybe had something to do with it :).  I don&#039;t think the message of trying to do the right thing is a bad message.  

I asked my 11 and 13 year olds what they thought, and they said &quot;it was pretty good.&quot;  Is it a slippery path to put too much into the messages of action movies or CG films?  Star Wars? The small rebel forces beat a weapon that could destroy a planet.  Bugs Life?  If that bird hadn&#039;t shown up, Flick was a goner.  Up? I really don&#039;t think it is safe to run around on falling blimps.

My other take home message was that drinking a 24-oz drink at a 3 hour movie was not a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with Steve&#8217;s premise, because that was obviously his take home message.  Here are my thoughts on the movie in the context of his notes.</p>
<p>My first take home message from the movie was that the natives could not be victorious over the oppressors without the assistance of rebels and outsiders who learned about, and then cared about native resources and way of life.  Please note that I think like a 14-year old.</p>
<p>It was clear that the Navi would be destroyed, and that only a defiance and small rebellion within the technological side gave them any chance of hope. It wasn&#8217;t bows and arrows that won, it was rebellion and supernatural magic. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t walk away with a feel good &#8220;don&#8217;t worry, it all works out.&#8221;  If anything, it was made clear that the Navi were going to get wiped out, period. That was clear in the first tree scene.  Instead, I left feeling like, &#8220;dang, if something isn&#8217;t right, don&#8217;t just go along, make a difference&#8221;.  I must admit I developed a little man crush on the lead role, so that maybe had something to do with it <img src='http://stevecotler.com/tales/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  I don&#8217;t think the message of trying to do the right thing is a bad message.  </p>
<p>I asked my 11 and 13 year olds what they thought, and they said &#8220;it was pretty good.&#8221;  Is it a slippery path to put too much into the messages of action movies or CG films?  Star Wars? The small rebel forces beat a weapon that could destroy a planet.  Bugs Life?  If that bird hadn&#8217;t shown up, Flick was a goner.  Up? I really don&#8217;t think it is safe to run around on falling blimps.</p>
<p>My other take home message was that drinking a 24-oz drink at a 3 hour movie was not a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Cotler</title>
		<link>http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/12/22/avatar-beautiful-and-insidious/comment-page-1/#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Cotler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See my response to Nathan above</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See my response to Nathan above</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Cotler</title>
		<link>http://stevecotler.com/tales/2009/12/22/avatar-beautiful-and-insidious/comment-page-1/#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Cotler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the film, the colonialist/imperialist (pick your pejorative) mining corporation has a goal: extract value from the planet. They have tried to be reasonable with the Pandorans. They have offered what they perceive as an equitable trade (education, modernization, resettlement) in exchange for the extracted value. But the natives have a different and unyielding value system. It includes a living planet. This bizarre concept is incommensurate with the miners’ bookkeeping. When the Pandorans refuse the “fair” deal, what next?

In history and literature what follows is almost always a unilateral decision to effect a land grab and crush the natives through war, treaty abrogation, illegal settlement, economic sanctions, disease, cultural dominance, or the like.

In our modern world, this meme is solidly established (Hollywood no longer produces bowdlerized cowboys and Indians movies), and institutional opinion swayers know that the other side---audiences, consumers, voters, etc.---will not be convinced, mollified, or stupefied if the meme is ignored. So they choose a head-on, yet masked, approach: show the Crunchy-Granolans beating the evil miners, something which could not happen in real life. In this way, the irritating meme is replaced by a warmer, smoother one that offers a comforting, happy ending…and the real-life opposition is blunted.

In short, Nathan, even if your “less-concerned friends [will] be almost universally inspired to think about the issues presented after seeing the movie,” I suspect that they will experience comfort that the good guys can and do win, not indignation that the greedy bastards are and will continue to rape the planet.

While watching &lt;em&gt;Avatar&lt;/em&gt;, they will, I judge, register the problem, but after sitting in a darkened theater being seduced by Cameron&#039;s victory for the the little people (actually blue 10-footers), will they rise up to solve the real problem here on Earth? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the film, the colonialist/imperialist (pick your pejorative) mining corporation has a goal: extract value from the planet. They have tried to be reasonable with the Pandorans. They have offered what they perceive as an equitable trade (education, modernization, resettlement) in exchange for the extracted value. But the natives have a different and unyielding value system. It includes a living planet. This bizarre concept is incommensurate with the miners’ bookkeeping. When the Pandorans refuse the “fair” deal, what next?</p>
<p>In history and literature what follows is almost always a unilateral decision to effect a land grab and crush the natives through war, treaty abrogation, illegal settlement, economic sanctions, disease, cultural dominance, or the like.</p>
<p>In our modern world, this meme is solidly established (Hollywood no longer produces bowdlerized cowboys and Indians movies), and institutional opinion swayers know that the other side&#8212;audiences, consumers, voters, etc.&#8212;will not be convinced, mollified, or stupefied if the meme is ignored. So they choose a head-on, yet masked, approach: show the Crunchy-Granolans beating the evil miners, something which could not happen in real life. In this way, the irritating meme is replaced by a warmer, smoother one that offers a comforting, happy ending…and the real-life opposition is blunted.</p>
<p>In short, Nathan, even if your “less-concerned friends [will] be almost universally inspired to think about the issues presented after seeing the movie,” I suspect that they will experience comfort that the good guys can and do win, not indignation that the greedy bastards are and will continue to rape the planet.</p>
<p>While watching <em>Avatar</em>, they will, I judge, register the problem, but after sitting in a darkened theater being seduced by Cameron&#8217;s victory for the the little people (actually blue 10-footers), will they rise up to solve the real problem here on Earth?</p>
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		<title>By: Lanny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I understand your point, but not because you&#039;ve made it well or here.

Your point is that the movie makes people think that &quot;bows and arrows&quot; can win against the machine, when they can&#039;t. You think this lulls people to sleep in the face of a real danger -- that of imperial, corporate, fascistic greed and power. You think that if the Na&#039;vi were slaughtered it would have politicized the audience better against the machine.

I&#039;m not so sure.

I think you should go into more detail in both your blogs against AVATAR. If you give us more detail, we can prepare ourselves better for disagreeing with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand your point, but not because you&#8217;ve made it well or here.</p>
<p>Your point is that the movie makes people think that &#8220;bows and arrows&#8221; can win against the machine, when they can&#8217;t. You think this lulls people to sleep in the face of a real danger &#8212; that of imperial, corporate, fascistic greed and power. You think that if the Na&#8217;vi were slaughtered it would have politicized the audience better against the machine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure.</p>
<p>I think you should go into more detail in both your blogs against AVATAR. If you give us more detail, we can prepare ourselves better for disagreeing with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really not sure what you&#039;re trying to say here.  That the victory by the natives was unrealistic?  Not exactly - they would have lost even with superior numbers if not for the intervention by a living planet on their behalf.  This is an entirely new world created for this movie - talking about what&#039;s &quot;realistic&quot; in the context of the film&#039;s plot strikes me as more than a little ironic.
I&#039;ve been politically and environmentally active for years, so my reactions might not match those of a &#039;typical&#039; viewer.  But my less-concerned friends seemed to be almost universally inspired to think about the issues presented after seeing the movie.  True, I wish I could smack Cameron around a bit for going solo on the dialogue and basically rehashing &quot;Fern Gully&quot;, but I doubt this movie would be more effective - or be seen by half the people who have seen it already! - if the natives got massacred instead.  Besides, how could you make sequels then?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not sure what you&#8217;re trying to say here.  That the victory by the natives was unrealistic?  Not exactly &#8211; they would have lost even with superior numbers if not for the intervention by a living planet on their behalf.  This is an entirely new world created for this movie &#8211; talking about what&#8217;s &#8220;realistic&#8221; in the context of the film&#8217;s plot strikes me as more than a little ironic.<br />
I&#8217;ve been politically and environmentally active for years, so my reactions might not match those of a &#8216;typical&#8217; viewer.  But my less-concerned friends seemed to be almost universally inspired to think about the issues presented after seeing the movie.  True, I wish I could smack Cameron around a bit for going solo on the dialogue and basically rehashing &#8220;Fern Gully&#8221;, but I doubt this movie would be more effective &#8211; or be seen by half the people who have seen it already! &#8211; if the natives got massacred instead.  Besides, how could you make sequels then?  <img src='http://stevecotler.com/tales/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you&#039;re right about the silliness of the arrows&#039; triumph over the overwhelming technological superiority of the looters. I&#039;m less convinced of your assertion that we need honest cinematic scenarios to assure our vigilance against this actually happening. I just found the whole idea ludicrous and anti-intellectual. The bad guys were cartoonishly evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you&#8217;re right about the silliness of the arrows&#8217; triumph over the overwhelming technological superiority of the looters. I&#8217;m less convinced of your assertion that we need honest cinematic scenarios to assure our vigilance against this actually happening. I just found the whole idea ludicrous and anti-intellectual. The bad guys were cartoonishly evil.</p>
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